The real crime is marketing the driver assist capability under the name autopilot when it is anything but that.
Oh no, it’s even worse than that.
It’s the CEO and other staff repeatedly speaking of the system as if it’s basically fully capable and it’s only for legal reasons why a driver is even required. Even saying that the car could drive from one side of the US to the other without driver interaction (only to not actually do that, of course).
It’s the company never correcting people when they call it a self driving system.
It’s the company saying they’re ready for autonomous taxis and saying owner’s cars will make money for them while they aren’t driving it.
It’s calling their software subscription Full Self Driving
It’s honestly staggering to me that they’re able to get away with this shit.
I love my Model 3, but everything you said is spot on. Autopilot is a great driver assist, but it is nowhere near autonomous driving. I was using it on the highway and was passing a truck on the left. The road veered left and the truck did as well, keeping in its lane the entire time. The car interpreted this as the truck merging over into my lane and slammed the brakes. Fortunately, I was able to figure out what went wrong and quickly accelerated myself so as to not become a hazard to the cars behind me.
Using Autopilot as anything more than a nice dynamic cruise control setting is putting your life, and other lives, in danger.
Your cars actions could kill someone.
That’s only a $11.5k fine though.
The auto cruise on the Priuses at work do this a lot. If the freeway curves to the left or something it will panic and think I’m about to hit the cars in the lane next to me also going through the Curve
The road veered left and the truck did as well, keeping in its lane the entire time. The car interpreted this as the truck merging over into my lane and slammed the brakes.
Even dynamic cruise control must never do such dangerous mistakes!
You should claim that they fix this on warranty, and they should prove that this is never going to happen again.
Almost all of them do it, the one most fresh in my mind is the Prius because my work uses them as base cards so I drive them a lot. If the highway curves kind of hard to either the left or the right sometimes it will panic and think you’re about to hit the car in the lane next to you because they’re technically in front of you and so it will try to brake.
Thankfully there is an option to turn off the automatic braking it will just start screaming instead
Do we need to go through what autopilot in a plane or boat actually does again?
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To probably 90% of people “autopilot” means “drive automatically”.
Based on what?
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Tesla markets this feature as “Full Self-Driving Capability.” Maybe I’m poorly informed, but to me that means that the car is fully capable of driving itself without human interaction.
FSD is an entirely separate thing. Autopilot is just an LKAS system, or adaptive cruise control.
Aha, today I learned that Autopilot is just lane-keeping and adaptive cruise control. I feel that it must be a common misunderstanding to confuse the terms “Autopilot” and “Fully Self-Driving” in the vernacular.
Many other manufacturers refer to lane-keeping systems as “driver assistance,” and I believe Tesla is intentionally misleading consumers with the impression that their system is more capable and allows the driver to pay less attention.
Until you drive it. You know the capabilities, you know when you can and cannot activate it, you know how often it tells you to look at the road and if you don’t prove you’ve got your hands on the wheel, it disables itself for the drive (you need to park to reactivate it). No Tesla driver thinks autopilot is more than a lane and distance keeping assistance.
Autopilot is a marketing name, that’s it.
If we do, then they shouldn’t have picked a name that most people think does something it doesn’t.
When you drive a Tesla, it’s pretty clear what autopilot is. The name is a marketing term, you can’t engage it everywhere and anytime, you’ve got to keep your hands on the wheel or it disables itself, won’t stop at stop signs and red lights, won’t do line changes, etc.
What does full self driving mean ?
Full Self Driving and Autopilot are two totally separate systems.
Depends entirely on the type of autopilot.
It’s a common misunderstanding that an autopilot system in an airplane does everything or even a lot of things. The most basic ones keep the wings level and nothing else. Of course Tesla is probably counting on that misconception to sell this feature, but actual pilots using any kind of autopilot are still on the hook to pay attention 100% of the time.
In an airplane that is fine as pilots are specifically trained on the planes they fly (at least in theory). No one gets a special course in how to drive a specific (non industrial) car…
Way to ignore the death of two people, and hijack the discussion for your own opinions. Good job /s
2 murders, 23 grand. The mafia charge more.
If you wanna kill somebody, use a car.
The $11,500 “murder” add-on
The guy was going through a suburb at 75 mph blowing through stop lights. Ofcourse he has to pay, im surprised hes not getting jail time. This has nothing to do with the car, thats just gross negligence
My tesla doesn’t let me use autopilot or FSD if I set it over 5% of the posted speed limit. How is this guy going 75 in the burbs?
I wonder if Tesla had this section of road mapped as freeway. Especially since it rolled through a red.
“Suburb” in LA is a very loose term
I would think that the guy is just lying, but Tesla would call that out REAL quick.
That is unfortunately a configurable option.
My interpretation of the title is “only has to pay…”. 23K is nothing.
Wow the value of a life I guess. I don’t really know what can come close to the value of a life, but this doesn’t seem like it.
What would be the value of life then? I’ll save you the answer: no matter how big the number you say, someone else will say bigger. Until it becomes priceless, which is the answer.
However death and accidental death isn’t always avoidable. And when we pin the fault on someone we cannot expect to say “priceless” is what they owe the victim’s family. So we assign an amount of money or time that hurts, and call it good.
Doesn’t mean life is worth that. And saying so doesn’t help anyone.
Sure but even looking a only the financial produce of one person for a family dwarfs the comical 23k here. And that’s not even looking at the emotional side of things. 23k is straight insulting imho.
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Tesla should be out millions for this. The autopilot feature is a gimmick and not at all transparent. They’re beta testing on the public and people are dying because of it. This is a corporate decision that needs to have corporate consequences over and above legal ones. People shouldn’t just be getting minor fines, they should be going to prison and losing absolutely everything.
That’s life insurances job, this would be on top of life insurance, and is more about where the money comes than where it is going.
True. But what if Tesla has to pay a billion for producing software that runs people over? They probably would not have beta software on the road.
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If you want to kill someone in the US with little consequences, run them over with a car.
Germany the same. Small fine, three month without license, that’s it for killing a human being.
If we’re talking about an honest accident then how long do you think the jail term should be?
“honest accident” is the crux of the question. If the driver was doing everything perfectly and some other party was entirely responsible for the accident, not much (maybe none?).
But, at least in my corner of Canada, most drivers are not behaving responsibly or adhering to the law. Speeding, following too closely, illegally passing, and using phones while driving are common. If a driver kills someone while doing something overtly dangerous, they deserve jail time.
If we’re talking about an honest accident
There is no such thing.
Holy shit, really? Never looked into it but judging by how people drive here (lots of people on their phones while driving, missing red lights all the time) it certainly doesn’t seem like there are severe consequences for any wrongdoings.
For fuck’s sake I doubt if that would cover funeral expenses.
It won’t even fix their car.
There’s this saying about how if something is punishable by a fine, then it’s only illegal for poor people.
I don’t even have to finish this do I
There’s a joke that if you want to murder someone in America, make sure you do it in a car. Our courts are specifically tailored to avoid penalizing drivers for “accidentally” killing people.
Anyone else tired of beta testing Tesla’s garbage just by being outside on the roads near these vehicles?
Human beings controlling cars are extremely dangerous. Drunk drivers, racing, going through red lights and stops, speeding, not paying attention, etc. No need for autopilot for the streets to be dangerous for pedestrians. Autopilot keeps the car in line, which is already way safer than most 100% human-controlled accidents.
And again, the driver is responsible to keep their eyes on the road, even when using cruise-control or any sort of driving assistance.
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Civil suit. He’s already been proven guilty
Well, he didn´t do anything … /s
You honor, I actually didn’t wack anyone with this self actuating axe. I bought it and I told it to go chop wood. The people just happened to be too close to the axe. Yeah I was holding the axe but I wasn’t actually putting any pressure. The tail was wagging the dog in other words.
Ok so $10,000.00. Fine? Oh alright I guess that’ll teach me not to buy autonomous axes.
So $11.500 per Person. Huh. I would have guessed it that american Lives would be more expensive.
American taxpayers will pick up the rest of the bill. Nice subsidy for the rich.
uh is that it?
Why so low penalties? Were the victims black or brown?
the car’s occupants, Gilberto Alcazar Lopez and Maria Guadalupe Nieves-Lopez, died at the scene.
Yeaaaaaah…
oh, it is another crash…
the driver was really a victim of the tesla/uber experiment. first - someone in tesla or uber decided to turn off the emergency brake assistent because it was giving out what they considered too many false positive alarms. the car at the moment of the accident knew about the pedestrian and tracked him, but the emergency brake which should have engaged was turned off. and then the driver was thrown under the bus by uber.it is really hard to pay attention as a driver when there is really nothing to pay attention to. hard to blame the driver.Do you think higher penalties would make people less prone for accidents?
When the accident is caused by a blatant lack of paying attention, I believe it would. Not paying attention, causing death of someone? 2 years in jail. You’re responsible of what you do.
